So I've been thinking about my project..

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
09/25/2014 at 14:55 • Filed to: Mustang

Mostly about the generation Stang I wanna put the motor in when it's done again. I know I've been calling it the "Fox Boss Project" because the original plan was to have the finished motor be put into a Fox Body; but I love both the '94-95(vertical tri-bar taillights!!) and any Fox Body(But 4-eyes is best). Thinking from the perspective that even though I'd be going the carburetor-route, I'd like the car to be driven as daily as possible, with much comfort, torque and speed, between my dad and myself whenever it's completed; which do you think based on looks, personal experiences and in detail would be the best?

One factor is structure. From what I've researched the SN-95 is an improved Fox and can handle more power and torque stock than a Fox; the latter has been known to have it's frame bent from all the torque it puts out(and this is even with a stock 302!!)

The other factor is cost, the SN-95, in V6 can be had for under 1000 ready to drive back to the workplace and swap the new motor in no problem; to find a driveable Fox to bring back is in excess of $2k unless you find a 4-cylinder(NOPE).

This is just me thinking way down the road, but what say you Oppo?

DISCUSSION (46)

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:02

I was gonna suggest a 5.0 to put in a SN-95 but.. if you already have a motor (which one?) then I support the SN-95 build. I'd invest in some MaximumMotorsports frame-stiffening kit immediately. and a variety of tower (under and over) braces.
What is the goal of your project?

I've wanted to build one on the basis to have a killer road/race car.. on 03' Machined Termi Cobra wheels (no dish).. Lowered on Sportlines on Koni Adjustables or coilovers (but I like static). with projector HID headlights.. (TSX proggs), and a variety of other things.. thats just me though

Your boy, BJR > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:03

Kinja'd!!!

How about ford's OTHER '90s rwd coupe?

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:04

Go Fox body. Sub frame connectors and a notch back would get you more structural rigidity. and I hope you aren't planning on having a manual in the fox if you want to make a lot or torque, cause the T-5 at max was designed for 330 Ft/lb max.

Plus much simpler cars to work on, in my opinion.

I think the fox is the winner, Simpler and lighter, Colin Chapman would choose the fox body.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil
09/25/2014 at 15:04

I've got a 302 short block out of a '95 Mustang GT; It'll work in any Mustang with the right parts for the year of the body, but yeah.

crowmolly > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:04

Serious question- what state do you live in?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Your boy, BJR
09/25/2014 at 15:05

No.

Your boy, BJR > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:06

Why though?

My dad had a '93 and that car was pretty dope.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:07

But that's the thing, I want a hatch though, and it'll need more structural rigidity, and It's going/must be a manual. Why not a manual?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > crowmolly
09/25/2014 at 15:07

Michigan. Why?

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:07

http://jxn.craigslist.org/cto/4661572653…

http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/4640679028…

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/468092…

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/467946…

all under 2k.

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:08

The T-5's explode with any real power.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Your boy, BJR
09/25/2014 at 15:09

It would be a slouch of a track/daily car. Too heavy.

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:10

Oh wow - then you have a great start - that block is versatile is it not?
Have you built it up at all?

crowmolly > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:10

Titling and emissions testing.

If, say, you lived in a state like NJ your car would be exempt from all testing when it was 25+ years old. So that's 1989 this year.

If you were to buy a 1995 car and carb it you'd be fucked, because you'd probably have tons of trouble being forced to get it emissions tested. You'd have to wait until 2020 to be smog exempt.

But since you are in Michigan, shits are not given as they were ripped out of lamp posts with all the copper.

Pick the strongest body/chassis and go from there!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:11

I'll counter with this and this.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/468092…

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/468490…

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:12

Well it's not gonna be a drag car; 330 ft/lbs would be more than enough torque IMO, if I can get the motor to do that much.

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:12

I dont think you can use the V6 stick on a 302. could be wrong though.

Your boy, BJR > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:13

gut it!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil
09/25/2014 at 15:14

Well my friends and I just started working on it last week; the block has been disassembled and needs to be checked for cracks and then hot tanked and bored .030 over before we get a rebuild kit for it. I've got a set of heads I'll need to order tomorrow.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > crowmolly
09/25/2014 at 15:15

Strongest stock would be SN-95; Fox would need stuff added to be on or above the SN-95s level.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:16

Well I mean to drive it back, then remove and sell/swap for a V8 trans.

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:17

Great work! I'm excited for you - any forced induction or strictly N/A build?

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:18

It's too bad you're not able to come on saturday, i would to talk to you ad nauseam about this

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil
09/25/2014 at 15:23

NA: Keeping it traditional and I have no idea how forced induction works with carbs. :P

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:24

If you wait around until after 4, I'll be able to come by. Or we could meet after.

crowmolly > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:24

Well, don't be pennywise/pound foolish buying a V6 'Stang with the 7.5 rear

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:24

Can work.. well, if tuned properly.. But thats sweet man.
What are you thinking for exhaust?

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:24

shoot me an email, thespunbearing@outlook.com we'll exchange info and meet up.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil
09/25/2014 at 15:30

For exhaust?? I hadn't thought about it honestly.

T5Killer > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:31

94-95 V8 Car FTW. Just find a GT they should be dime a dozen and should be cheaper vs the fox cars

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
09/25/2014 at 15:33

Just did.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > T5Killer
09/25/2014 at 15:35

V6 SN-95s are cheaper than Foxes to find, V8s here are about the same and higher because they're mostly modded and in great condition; most Foxes, not so much.

T5Killer > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 15:39

I know it has the crappy NPI 4.6 but how are 96-98 GTs around you? A PI swap is pretty cheap these days.

JGrabowMSt > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 16:19

Kinja'd!!!

This fox is the best fox

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 16:47

Get a '94. Good car, interior can be a bit 90's but the '94 GT Vert we have is nice, aside from the A/C not working and the gearbox slips occasionally. Oh and it's an auto.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > T5Killer
09/25/2014 at 19:10

PI and NPI? There should be a fair amount of '96-04 cars around here. Why do you ask?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JGrabowMSt
09/25/2014 at 19:10

I've seen one like that before. Not sure if it was the same one though.

Local Miata Bro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 19:15

Go with a SN-95, You want a 5 bolt wheel pattern,not a puny 4 bolt that the foxs' have

JGrabowMSt > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 19:17

they were real highway patrol cars, theres a bunch.

T5Killer > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 19:18

96-98 GTs around here are cheap as well sometimes cheaper vs a 94-95. The PI heads (99 to 04 GT and intake are worth pretty big gains when they area swapped into 96-98 cars)

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > T5Killer
09/25/2014 at 19:37

I'm already getting GT40-P heads. :)

Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 22:23

If you're looking for comfort and drivability in general, the SN95 seems like a good bet. Probably the second most comfortable car I've ever been in. Add in what you already stated about the structure of the car in general, and its a good call. If you are planning on doing anything involving handling, though, you would want to replace the coil springs in the front and the leaf springs in the back. The original factory ones are not stiff at all.

Yet, I feel like a Fox Body would be better bet, especially for the engine that you have. You can find ones on CL that are clean, ready to have an engine dropped in, and for decent prices. While you can find plenty of V6 SN95's, tons of work would need to be done for a 302 to be dropped in one. It also seems like the Fox-Bodies have a lot more of an aftermarket following than SN95's, so parts would be more readily available.

What about this? http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/468092…

Or this? http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/467946…

EDIT: Didn't read the comments. Looks like both of those were already pointed out. My bad.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage
09/25/2014 at 22:29

I like that first one, if it's still around by December-January, maybe; but I'm gonna try to find an '89 first.

Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/25/2014 at 22:53

Why an '89, if I may ask? Personal experience or something? Or is it just the looks?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage
09/25/2014 at 22:55

Because it's newer and stuff.

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
09/26/2014 at 07:34

Might I recommend a catless H for your setup. :) I had one for my 07 GT and it sounded amazing. I had a catted-x but it didn't sound nearly as good as that H did.